Pretty simple, eh?

@lednaBM science is both of those though?

@itscool900 Not really.... proving a negative is illogical.

@lednaBM That doesn‘t simplify science and religion AT ALL. It merely oversimplifies how some people in science and some religious people interact with other persons, respectively.

@realbloginista @lednaBM you must be fun at parties

@realbloginista 🤣😂🤣😂 Sure, it does!

@JustNate @realbloginista

@lednaBM no, religion misunderstood

@benny That's your story...🤣😂🤣😂

@JustNate @lednaBM Actually I am 😉

@realbloginista @JustNate

@lednaBM @JustNate Nice gifs. Where do you get them from?

@realbloginista @JustNate On my Android phone, I select the phone emoji selection, but another menu appears that offers GIFs. Select the GIF, and in the next, select the spyglass and type in something....

@lednaBM @benny

No, I gotta say, as someone who's spent time in both worlds, religious and irreligious, it's pretty spot on.

@BinroHeretic @benny I looked at his profile. He's a theology student as best I can tell. It's no surprise that this is what they teach him to say.

@lednaBM @benny

I see theology as formalized bullshit pretending to be knowledge. Studying it's a waste of time, effort, and money.

@BinroHeretic @lednaBM well, think what you like, I don't even know which theology studies you refer to, US "bible schools" or the good stuff at European universities.
Still you can consider it a waste, like I consider econom| a waste (no one needs a degree to know how to knot a tie)...
Theology does in fact give you a very broad sight: history, philosophy, psychology, literature... to name a few. I wouldn't want to miss it.

@benny @BinroHeretic

@lednaBM @benny

You don't need theology to understand or appreciate history, philosophy, psychology, or literature.

Kinda like you don't need to believe in fairies to appreciate your garden.

@BinroHeretic @benny

@lednaBM @JustNate Ah ok,on iPhone I only get the standard emojis and - stickers.

@realbloginista @JustNate You might be able to Google how to do it on Iphone...

@lednaBM Thanks! @JustNate

@realbloginista @JustNate 🙇‍♂️

@BinroHeretic @lednaBM I never claimed this. Read what I write.

@benny @lednaBM

You wrote, "Theology does in fact give you a very broad sight: history, philosophy, psychology, literature... to name a few. I wouldn't want to miss it."

I'm simply calling bullshit. Because theology has nothing to do with any of that. Just as fairies have nothing to do with botany.

@BinroHeretic @lednaBM Why do you think theology has nothing to do with that? Did you study it? I did.
It's okay if you don't like it for whatever reason. We're free people. But how does theology have nothing to do with history when history uses the same methods? Ever heard of historic criticism? Look it up if you wanna find out how theology and history are related. Or leave it if you don't care.

@benny @lednaBM

You're free to waste your time on a folly, but I'm not going to bother with it. I'm more concerned with real things.

@benny @lednaBM
Hey, there's no need for insults.

@benny @lednaBM

I do have a question. Not for anyone in particular, just generally:

What knowledge have we gained through theology that could not have been acquired elsewhere?

@BinroHeretic @benny

Speaking for myself, it sounds like a bit if a make work program for people who can't do real science...

@BinroHeretic @benny @lednaBM You know why theology gives such a broad view? Because it messed with all of these topics until it was pushed back bit by bit. It's not called age of enlightenment for nothing. So looking at history, philosophy or literature through theology is like using scratched and distorting glassed.

@janhelms @BinroHeretic @lednaBM and you got your expertise from?

@benny @janhelms @lednaBM

Seriously? You're playing *that* card?

@BinroHeretic @janhelms @lednaBM I'm just curious where Jan got this from

@benny @BinroHeretic @lednaBM
Not sure how to answer that question. Common sense maybe?

@janhelms @benny @BinroHeretic The history of theological nonsense is well known by scholars; at least those who are unbiased and not self-admitted apologists.

@BinroHeretic @lednaBM as fields are overlapping you can say this probabl| about everything.
I think theology was most productive in spawning new fields of study, or influencing them, because people cared a lot about things they put in relation to God, so they wanted to know probably and developed more and more rigour. After all it was about God and ultimate truth.
I mean do you think it's a coincidence universities origin in cathedral schools?

@benny @lednaBM

Wait.

What does any god have to do with truth?

And you didn't answer my question.

@BinroHeretic @lednaBM you have truth only in faith (in a godhead or whatever). In real life and in science, you only have propability.
But most people strife for truth, some solid ground to stand on.

@benny @lednaBM

Ok, but what does Truth have to do with God?

@BinroHeretic @lednaBM the godhead you belief in is your key to its truth which you make your truth through faith. In my case, being a protestant Christian, I derive what I consider true from my God's revelation in the bible and how I've learned to interpret it - historic criticism etc.
Of course if you believe something else you'll have another truth.

@benny @lednaBM

There's no such thing as "another truth". Or are you saying alternative facts are a thing?

@BinroHeretic @lednaBM what is the truth then? And please, while we're at it, proof it.

@benny @lednaBM

Truth is what is. Its tautological.

@BinroHeretic @benny

@benny @BinroHeretic

@lednaBM @janhelms @benny @BinroHeretic
A doctor of philosophy, a doctor of letters, and a doctor of theology walk into a bar.

The literature and philosophy professors sneak out the back door to find some free-thinking fun.

@lednaBM @BinroHeretic that "real science" would be history?

@benny @BinroHeretic They still think Jesus was a historical figure... FFS.
Odds are that he's fiction.

@lednaBM @janhelms @BinroHeretic Claims claims claims, but no proof

@benny @lednaBM @BinroHeretic That again sounds like a description of religion, like in the OP...

@janhelms @lednaBM @BinroHeretic hmm, he says it's well known by scholars. I know just a hand full of scholars, like Dawkins, who make such claims. But when you look closer at their arguments, they appear to be fighting straw men, or picking one minority kind of religion they did not even study, like the Wahabis or Westboro baptist church, and derive conclusions from those special cases and apply them to all religion, past and present.

@benny @janhelms @BinroHeretic Because that's how science works. You break the problem apart & characterize its components. From this, it becomes easy to draw general conclusions as to how, and I will repeat, HOW, this stuff works. Look... nobody cares if your pursuit in life is to revel in whatever it is gives you pleasure and meaning; however, you're going to hear a lot of stuff you don't like when you expose yourself, especially on SM. Theology may be right for you, but for many of us:

@janhelms @lednaBM @BinroHeretic if they worked like that in their own field they'd never gotten far, so I presume they know better. But you can sell books that way anyway.
But being popular with their claims still does not make them right.

@benny @janhelms @BinroHeretic
No, you're disappointed because we're all simply saying:

@lednaBM @janhelms @BinroHeretic the safthing is you think you are funny or witty.

@benny @janhelms @BinroHeretic Well, at least I actually think through how things are and how they work; as opposed to pretending to square circles!

@lednaBM @janhelms @BinroHeretic Indeed, and that's what they don't do. Thry stay superficial and their fanboys follow suit, being freethinkers instead of self thinkers.
But keep your conclusions, they seem to be good enough for you

@benny @janhelms @BinroHeretic
Yeah.... nobody worships the folks you demonize. But, you can pretend to worship a collection of ideas specifically defined to be impervious to truth and call that sensible and important. That doesn't even pass the common sense test, much less the logic test. But please, keep projecting your demons...

@lednaBM @janhelms @BinroHeretic ah, and theology is not faith. Learn the meaning of words

@benny @janhelms @BinroHeretic

🤣😂🤣😂🤣 Oh really.... faith has nothing to do with dedicating your education to something that can not exist without faith....😂🤣😂🤣😂

@lednaBM @janhelms @BinroHeretic now I get it. You are smart and everyone else is stupid

Again @benny

Stop the projection. Let's just agree to disagree and move on. My only advice to you would be that if you want to comment on SM, be prepared to be disappointed....

@janhelms @BinroHeretic

@lednaBM @janhelms @BinroHeretic well I am aware, but then I still think people want actual exchange. Alas, happy life or whatever it is you're after

@benny @janhelms @BinroHeretic
Absolutely... but honesty is the best policy. And when people tell you that there's no such thing as a square circle, you should know that. In the same way, when they say there's no such thing as god(s), you should know that too, no matter what you want to pretend. And remember, there's no evidence that a circle can be square, nor a square can be a circle. Now, if you're honest about evidence, it's all telling you that god(s) is make-believe.

@lednaBM @janhelms @BinroHeretic so what you say is to believe what people tell me?
Nah, I think I'll pass

@benny @janhelms @BinroHeretic No... I'm not telling you to believe anything. I'm telling you to think. These people are not telling you to believe or not believe. They are telling you to think. They can not help the fact that when you do think through it, most people can cast aside the abusive notion, usually fed to people as children, that these beliefs are even remotely relative to making the world a better place....

@lednaBM @benny ‘splain?

@BenAveling @lednaBM the comic paralellises science with religion, but that is a false representation of what religion is about.

Science helps us understand how the world works. Religion helps us to live in the world.

@benny @lednaBM I would argue that science also helps us live in the world.

@BenAveling @lednaBM knowing like the natural laws alone does not yet help I'd say. You have to make something of it.
Or, put into the field of theology: Knowing that Paul did probably not write Hebrews does not yet help. You have to make something of it.

@benny @lednaBM and how does religion help one ‘make something of it’?

@BenAveling @benny It's an old argument that theology and the religion(s) it protects is the main source of morality in the world. I'll take the heroic voice of this guy over that false argument:

@benny @BenAveling @lednaBM Paul also didn't write 1&2 Timothy, and Titus. Probably didn't write Ephesians, Colossians, and 2 Thesalonians. I can make quite a bit from that.

@Lightfighter @benny @BenAveling

Yes, the moral of these facts is that some purported authority chose to deliberately mislead people. Even with the best intentions, that's not moral. Of course, those living back then were hideously ignorant of how the real world works. No shame in that, but no credibility either.

@BenAveling @lednaBM by adopting. Leaving behind old traditions that have proven wrong.

@benny @BenAveling
🤣😂🤣🤣😂 You're admirably putting yourself out-of-buisness.... thanks for that!

@benny @BenAveling @lednaBM
*religion helps you survive in a world where religious people will murder you if you don't claim to believe the same stupid shit as them*

Fixed it for you.

@nosmaharba @BenAveling @lednaBM I'm religious. I never murdered anyone who had a different faith or no faith at all. Now what?

@benny @nosmaharba @BenAveling Not yet.... your supreme dictator in your celestial North Korea hasn't commanded it yet...

@benny @BenAveling @lednaBM
Spoken like a "true believer" (that's never read a Bible or history book)

Are you trying to convince me you can't grasp the concept of your own murderous religion?

@nosmaharba @benny @BenAveling He's considers himself a theolgian... they masturbate over this stuff.

@lednaBM @nosmaharba @BenAveling that's not how it works, not that you'd care. God forbid you'd have to let go of your prejudices.
Didn't you want to leave it be and have a happy life?

@benny @lednaBM @BenAveling
Lmao
Your god actually did "Forbid" letting go of past prejudices.
It's in the 1st part of your book.
🙏

@nosmaharba @lednaBM @BenAveling yes, I see you mistake literature for a historical record.
See, if you wanna be literacist, that's okay with me. Go to the bible belt and you'll find a lot of friends. It's just not my thing.

@benny @nosmaharba @BenAveling

@benny @lednaBM @BenAveling
Define "literature"

Ps. I live in the very heart of the dimwitted bible belt. We've had the "Right" to tattoos for about 20 years now...so "Thanks Jesus!"? L.O.L.

@nosmaharba @lednaBM @BenAveling this explains a lot

@benny @lednaBM @BenAveling
It does.
It's very helpful to witness actual evidence of what your churches do when given power.

Lucky you if you're in a place where nobody cares what religion you are.

@nosmaharba @lednaBM @BenAveling these are not my churches. I consider this place one of the least christianised places on earth. Anyway, I understand you for opposing them and I find it sad you obviously never experienced other kinds of churches.
Alas, happy life to you too

@benny @lednaBM @BenAveling
"Not my church" is how Christians justify the actions of The Church. It's pretty cowardly.

@benny @nosmaharba @BenAveling How quickly he abandons his brethren in christ.... that's so very Christian of you. And, it's a perfect lesson for others of why there are so many different variations of christianity. That is the appeal to authoritarianism and demand to adhere to every fools vision of who has the right version....

@lednaBM @nosmaharba @BenAveling you remind me of the dwarfs in the stable at the end of Chronicles of Narnia

@benny @nosmaharba @BenAveling Just remember, the girl can't help it! 😂🤣😂

@nosmaharba @lednaBM @BenAveling well, being a non American, do I not have to be cowardly

@benny @lednaBM @BenAveling
The sentence is a bit garbled, but I doubt country of origin has anything to do with it.

Imo Christians believe in Jesus because whoever told them "Santa isn't real" didn't tell them the same thing about *the entire concept of Christmas*

That's how you brainwash children and dimwits.

@nosmaharba @benny @BenAveling

@lednaBM @LilPecan @BenAveling @benny
"I'ma troll farmer, motherf*cker!"

@nosmaharba @LilPecan @BenAveling @benny
🤣😂🤣😂

@lednaBM @LilPecan @nosmaharba @BenAveling yeah, stay out everyone, we gonna troll everyone to oblivion that will comment on one sided postß

@benny@kirche.social @LilPecan @nosmaharba @BenAveling Your penchant for mischaracterizing the facts are only exceeded by your ability to not comprehend them. If you persist in making false and misleading accusations, I'm going to block you....

@lednaBM @LilPecan @nosmaharba @BenAveling btw, the link to the origin
https://stranger.social/@lednaBM/113090452499179674

@benny @LilPecan @nosmaharba @BenAveling Which links back to your rejection of a simple logic problem demonstrating how the burden of proof works...

@lednaBM @LilPecan @nosmaharba @BenAveling as I told you, you are smart, all others are stupid, all hail the smartass

@benny @LilPecan @nosmaharba @BenAveling

@lednaBM @LilPecan @nosmaharba @BenAveling oh no, see this, I'm shivering in fear

@benny @lednaBM @LilPecan @BenAveling
Grow up.

@nosmaharba @lednaBM @LilPecan @BenAveling 😁

@lednaBM @benny @LilPecan @BenAveling
Pretty simple.

@nosmaharba @benny@kirche.social @LilPecan @BenAveling I've blocked him.... The projection just became intolerable. It's like dealing with a child, actually worse.