@NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club @getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz
"The Communist Party of Soviet Russia abolished all pre-1917 laws, including those related to sexuality. In 1917, the Soviet government also decriminalised homosexuality, and the subsequent Soviet criminal code in the 1920s left out the criminalization of non-commercial same-sex sexuality between consenting adults in private. The Sexual Revolution in Russia, a 1923 four-page pamphlet written by Grigorii Batkis, noted that Soviet law post-1917 regarded gay sexual practices to be part of normal human sexual behaviour, and did not criminalize them as all matters of sex were a private matter."
from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism_and_LGBT_rights#History

@witix @getimiskon

then why did they criminalise it again soon afterwards?!?!

@NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club @getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz because Stalin
And Lenin specifically told his coworkers that Stalin cannot be allowed to rule russia
Besides, you do realize the red flag with hammer and sickle doesn't belong only to the Soviet Union, right? Communism was more of a movement than a country, as any definition you can find suggests.

@witix @getimiskon

lenin was literally against homosexuality, and he just did not pay attention to add the criminilation of homosexuality to their laws

and what are you trying to do, whitewash stalin or something?

@NeonPurpleStar to be honest, i think the original pic was a bit too tankie for my tastes, but i got the joke. Other than that, i don't think there was an intention to whitewash tankies, considering what @witix said earlier.

Edit: had to fix a typo, i messed up bad, i'm sorry

@NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club @getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz sorry but google's quick response with no link to the source whatsoever has the same credibility as a notepad file to me
And back then everyone thought homosexuality was bad due to the fact the world was still waking up after a few thousand years of fearing the sky daddy and listening to everything the church tells people

@getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz @NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club I'm not whitewashing anyone and I'm not a tankie. However I'm not going to agree with someone who thinks communism is bad just because they can't tell the difference between an authoritarian and anarchist revolutionists

@witix i didn't say you did, i'm sorry if my reply got misunderstood. Also i just realized i made a typo on my post, which makes my point wrong. I'm sorry about that.
@NeonPurpleStar

@getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz @NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club I... never said your point is incorrect because of a typo? ​​

@witix i accidentally wrote "i don't think there wasn't an intention to whitewash tankies", while the "wasn't" is actually "was". Yeah, sometimes mistakes like that make me freak out a bit.

by the way, @NeonPurpleStar isn't a bad person, but i wouldn't discuss about politics with him

@witix @getimiskon you can literally in 1 second reproduce the result i screenshot

@NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club @getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz doesn't mean a search engine led by sociopaths is any more trustworthy than a "you won an iPhone17 Pro" ad

@witix @getimiskon

rahmon, the current president of tajikistan recently said this in a discussion with putin, with respect to the relationship smaller soviet states had with the ussr

“I was there in those meetings in the room when the Soviet Union collapsed,” he said. “Then like now -- and you have to forgive me for saying this -- not enough attention was paid to the small republics, the small nations.”

https://www.rferl.org/a/tajikistan-russia-rahmon-youtube-respect/32084773.html

you can ramble about capitalism all you want, the soviet union was entirely about the economic exploitation of the surroundings states

and it was extremely homophobic as well

@NeonPurpleStar @getimiskon @witix go back to chasing trannies lmao faggot unironically quoted radio free europe

@meso o hell naw
@NeonPurpleStar @witix

@NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club @getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz
What does any of this have to do with what I said?
Was the communist movement in the United States a small state next to USSR?
Were the Spanish anarcho-communists a small state next to USSR?
Was the antifascist movement held by Paul Langevin in France a small state next to USSR?

If you have to associate everything with a state then no wonder you have zero idea what communism actually is

@witix @getimiskon you cannot just dis associate what communist regimes have been so far, from what version of communism you like

i am all about discussing the wrongdoings of the united states, but posting a "nuking" of a country with a hammer and sickle in the background is downright deplorable, and i find it just as revolting as the occasional nazi on fedi

@NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club @getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz so you could have just said you're part of the "rational right" and get mad at memes that target no one but the status quo, you'd save us all the time

@witix @getimiskon

lmao, ok, "i am sharing a depiction of nuking a country, isn't that funny" philanthropic lefitst

@NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club @getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz what
there is no depiction of nuking a country

@witix @getimiskon

the point the sketch is making, is the destruction of the united states

my point still stands

the "i wish for the destruction of a specific country, isn't that funny?" philanthropic leftist

@NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club @getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz "I wish for destruction of the old order and think giant expensive buildings the working class built for useless politicians make good kindling"*
Also I find it really funny how once your point with communism being the same thing as the soviet union was debunked you move right on to the next element that slightly offends you. Perhaps you'd like me to go over the image pixel by pixel?

@witix @getimiskon

it's not that i am fond of capitalism, i don't know what works best and i don't expect to solve this on fedi for sure

but regardless, the thing with tankies is, they don't ever have anything to offer other than american diabolism, literally nothing else

@NeonPurpleStar @getimiskon @witix You do realize that the image of burning capitol here is a symbol for the abolishment of current oppressive order? The "destruction of the United States" part is not really what you imagine. You probably imagine us, evil leftists wanting to burn the US into the ground and leave nothing behind as a part of our bloody sacrifice. While in reality, all of leftists just want to change the way of the distribution of power. Which may involve abolishment of state, which we could call "destruction of the United States", but it doesnt involve killing literally every living being here, burning the ground and then covering it with salt. Just after the abolishment of state, they live in a Federation of United Communes of America (FUCA is a really funny name for some reason), instead of United States, which really doesnt sound that scary as you want to portrait it.

Its not about destroying a country, but about destroying the apparatus of power which oppresses people.

@NeonPurpleStar @getimiskon and not gonna lie, I did use to be like you
What did change is I realized that actual definition of communism is far from… whatever the fuck Stalin and Lenin did, and the whole “Communism is bad!11!11!!!” bs comes from what one could consider proxies of none other than business executives who think starving Bolivian children for Lithium is a fun thing to do. Despite what you might think I do despise tankies, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to value profit and status quo over equality and freedom

@witix @getimiskon then do not share propaganda imagery of a state that was utterly abominable

@NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club @getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz sure, whatever dad /s

@NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club @getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz you've already been told multiple time on this thread that the red flag with the sickle and hammer is stateless and didn't belong to the Soviet Union, if you still refuse to acknowledge it then that's the best response I can think of ​​

@witix @getimiskon sure, and any attempt at communism you do not like, was not real communism, i have NEVER heard this line before

@NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club @getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz I've also heard this line multiple times
Like, you know, Lenin himself saying that USSR's economy isn't real communism but, "a monopoly of the state for the good of the people"
If you want to see real communism maybe you should go back in time and ask that America doesn't try to assassinate every leftist leader just because "socialism/communism bad"

@witix @getimiskon more american diabolism, very original

also, i used to read an anarchist forum, and their favourite phrase was "tankies gonna tank", as to who the most likely backstabber against them was

@NeonPurpleStar @getimiskon @witix Its kind of like pointing at North Korea, calling it democratic (because it calls itself democratic, just as every other false liberation authoritarian revolution) and then saying that any attempt at democracy you do not like was not real democracy.

There were (and still are) multiple cases of real liberatory movements which actually achieved a lot. Just to point at some, current liberatory movements look at Zapatistas, or Rojava. These are the examples we should follow.

And you know what usually happens when a movement like this actually achieves success? It gets crushed by the forces of capital.

@NeonPurpleStar "tankies gonna tank" lmao, good one
@witix

@NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club @getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz "diabolism"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende#Coup
If you think negative facts about a country are diabolism, you may be a nationalist.

@witix @getimiskon
also noteworthy, in the anarchist discussions that i have read, their first and foremost complaint was capitalism and the need to work for the basics

your entire focus is anti america, so may deny that you are a tankie, but you are

@NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club @getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz what were you doing in an anarchist forum anyways? Reporting to Trump?
And no, my focus is not being anti-america lmao, I literally did not say a word about america on this profile that I can recall until you showed up, deeply offended by a flag representing a movement and claiming that I support Soviet Union in any way
Both USSR and America are shitholes which did one or two good things by accient in their entire history

@witix @getimiskon

1. i had been a bernie sanders supporter in 2020, i sincerely hope harris wins this year
2. posting the capitol building burning in a hammer and sickle background in not anti america? then what is?
3. the forum i am talking about is raddle.me, and i enjoyed reading it, exactly because they keep dunking on tankies who keep using the hammer and sickle

@NeonPurpleStar
ok, i want to reply to that
1. i see, It would be interesting if he got elected as a president.
2. i'll be honest, i'm not pro-US, or pro any state. i prefer to be with the people. States and goverments can go fuck themselves.
3. Haven't been in raddle in quite some time, it's alright. At least it's not lemmy.
@witix

@getimiskon

> 2. i'll be honest, i'm not pro-US, or pro any state. i prefer to be with the people. States and goverments can go fuck themselves.

i was not sure whether i should respond to this, but whatever, here goes

if you are against heavy handed states, your number one enemy should be the chinese communist party, which actually has more than 90 million members/employees