NeonPurpleStar 
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just like you would look like a dork for wearing a t-shirt with the hindu swastika in europe, you also look like a dork for posting hammer and sickle shit
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russian tanks carried that symbol on flags when they invaded ukraine in 2022 and still raise this flag over every town and village they raze into the ground
do not give me that shit for a second
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@NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club and yet, the symbol somehow ended up here
I wonder why. Definitely not as bait satire becuase that's all libertarians can see left-wing as :p
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gettie (
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@NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club @getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz because russians really like to live in a delusion of that one good thing they did in 1941 and think everything west of russia is taken by nazis
just like how you like to think everything to the left of capitalist centrism on the political spectrum is rampant authoritarian communism
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NeonPurpleStar
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for all of eastern europe the hammer and sickle represents the violence and brutality people lived while being part of the soviet union, the same violence that ukraine is living every day for the past two years now
you do not have any right to absolve a symbol of its historical weight
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@getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz @NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club hmmm yes, Russia truly is a communist state (it's filled with oligarchs which aren't fascist millionaires because they have a different name come on guys)
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NeonPurpleStar
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it's not you who chooses what this symbol represents, and you are as idiotic as every nazi who walks around with nazi tattoos
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@getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz @NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club Also I'm pretty sure you'd be the only person to NOT complain if I replaced that hammer and sickle with a celtic cross
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> i don't think it's as tragic as you say
yeah, the stupidest argument that everyone who has NOT lived under an authoritarian regime continues to make, ffs
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@NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club @getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz I live under a homophobic regime which also somehow very eagerly supports capitalism but that's something you fail to see
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@getimiskon @NeonPurpleStar @witix Ok, I am not huge on history and politics, but wasn’t russia marxist communist as well
Like yeah sure it’s not rly communist now, but it used to be, and it didn’t go as well either.
I believe in socialism and perhaps different forms of communism as well (like I said, I am not huge into politics), but from historical viewpoint it did kinda go poorly.
I personally dislike that symbol myself cus Russia was using that symbol during all it’s bad stuffness back then (idk about current times, I think some tanks had that symbol but like this doesn’t mean shit, I mean China also calls itself communist lmao).
I really don’t mean this as a some sort of argument, I’m more into understanding all that stuff.
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@NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club @getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz the way you label everyone a tankie for simply not being very fond of america is a good enough sign of being a white supremacist
Your country wiped out endless natives and used slave labor of black people just to grow fucking vegetables, I don't think you should complain about oppressive regimes without acknowledging your country was oppressive too
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NeonPurpleStar
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there is another user who i will not name, who often posts pictures burning the american flag, and i have never told her a single thing against that
the stupid auth comms are the ones to whom i react
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As for the states that call themselves communist, i'm personally as against those as with any other state out there. It's just my opinion.
By the way, i saw the original post more like a shitpost, to some degree because of the hammer and sickle.
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@NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club @getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz we already discussed it's a symbol of an economic ideology and economics has very little to do with personal freedom but you continuously fail to acknowledge that
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it is NOT you who picks the meaning of this symbol, this is not up for debate
it represented and still represents rabid authoritarian regimes, and i will call it out every time
you look as idiotic for posting, as any nazi would look for posting nazi shit here
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@getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz @MarkAssPandi@gejuchowo.pl @NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club the hammer and sickle were literally a bait because that's all capitalists can see when they hear the words "left wing"
Also no, Soviet Union was not communist and Lenin himself said it's a "monopoly of the state for the good for the people", getting really sick of repeating myself on this one
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last time we had this debate you were defending lenin and the red terror, what's up about that btw?!
do you still defend him?
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@NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club @getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz who said it's my definition?
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there is no leftist unity with morons like you
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@NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club @getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz @MarkAssPandi@gejuchowo.pl Do you still defend George Washington's genocide on native Americans?
Also no, I did not "defend" the red terror. I just said it's better than the other guys were at the time
But yeah, no, I get it. Given the choice between being on Nazi and Soviet side of the WW2, of course you'd resent the red terror so much that you'd join the former
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did i ever post a picture of his or anything supportive of him, so that you can accuse me for this? NO!
on the very contrary you did defend lenin explicitly, as you tried to make him a positive figure who even allowed gay rights or something
utter historical illiteracy
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@NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club @getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz and what's "anarchist" or "leftist" about using ableist language and using ad hominem?
And also, if Raddle resents the "red terror" so much, then why don't they change their flag to the yellow-black one instead of using the ancom flag? I thought you all were against communism or something
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NeonPurpleStar
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you should be a lot more concerned about the symbol under which 5 million ukrainians starved to death, and were then forced to erect monuments to it
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@NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club @getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz I mean, I did point it out because Lenin... did make it legal and it's about on most sources that aren't made by billionaire think-thanks? There's even mention of soviet authors saying "that homosexuality was a disease, but not one that prevented normal functioning in society"
Far as fuck from even remotely good, but definitely better than what hitler and the capitalist buddies in america were doing.
Also untagging Pandi as she probably doesn't want to be too involved this, some people have sensibility instead of starting a political argument uncw'd
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@NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club @getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz suspiciously and very conveniently ignoring the people that died in the ethnic cleansing in America
or victims of slave labor
or victims of "almost" slave labor like Henry Ford shooting his employees because they wanted to earn more than 5 dollars a day
or 17 million victims of nazi germany in ww2
oh, and are we including victims of current-day "perfect" capitalism? Like, you know, all the poverty we export to 3rd world countries because "communism bad"?
Also you know, that's a very rad excuse for insulting other people. Though for whatever reason I was told it's impolite and I shouldn't attack other people personally because other people did before? Probably just commie lies idk
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@breadguy@blob.cat @NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club @getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz nope, sorry buddy, already tried telling him that 2 times
Sadly the definition held by Elon Musk's think tanks is more important than that of Wikipedia and most vocabularies
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NeonPurpleStar
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you are placing me in a discussion as someone who defends nazi germany or henry ford?
i never defended them, in fact i condemn them, and your attempt to place me in such a position shows how deceitful and disingenuous you are
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@NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club @getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz bad rep around capitalists and fascists is actually a reason to be proud for me. Sorry if you thought you'd successfully land another personal attack
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@NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club @getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz says the person who tries to put me in the place of a tankie for using a symbol of, uh, oh wait yeah you continuously fail to understand that part
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@NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club @getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz 17 million people died under the swastika, yet I don't see you rushing the the hindi to call them nazis because nazis stole their religious symbol
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actually you are wrong on this again, as i have had such an argument before but whatever floats your boat
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>avid NATO/NAFO fan
>Critisizes something for fascism
You wouldn't know fascism if it spit in your face, liberal
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Skip to paragraph 3 if you don't care about being a hypocrite and just want to discuss hammer and sickle.
>avid NATO fan
So you have a problem when someone uses the hammer and sickle for a shitpost and yet you have absolutely no problem with supporting imperialist creation made to defend the American world hegemony and increase international support for genocidal regimes? Using your own argument about Ukrainians - What would you say to Iraqi children who get their entire family bombed bombed by fucking NATO drones while you wave their flag? And using the "black book of communism" type of numbers capitalism kills 15-20 million people every year (these are people who die in capitalism due to starvation, even tho we have more than enough food for everybody, dehydration, while companies like nestle or coca cola take away their water and easily curable diseases, even tho medicine for them could easily be produced even on site if these weren't companies secrets). And all of that is being currently defended by your favorite NATO. And who would you support if there comes a day that one of the horizontal structures grows so big that it threatens the capitalism so much that NATO nations together decide to crush it?
Of course, you can't just disband NATO in our current world like that. But saying that "you are a fan of it" is something absolutely different. Just like you might say you can't just disband an X nation without building any horizontal structures to replace it (as that wouldn't be beneficial for anyone) and that doesn't make you a fan of X nation.
Also - reclamation of symbols is absolutely fucking great. While I personally don't think it is worth to do with hammer and sickle I totally respect people who do it. It once used to represent the unity between peasants and proletariat and then it got seized by authoritarians as it was a good symbol for propaganda. And before you say something stupid like "would you respect (for example) Hindu reclamation of swastika?" yes I absolutely would, as long as it is done in the way that most of the people know what they mean by that, as this symbol absolutely should belong to Hindu people and not to nazi cucks who don't even use it anyways as they prefer their dog whistles like celtic cross as they have to hide their actual worldview because they would never get any support if they didn't.
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you know i actually enjoyed reading this response and did not boil in anger while reading it
part of it, like medicine and whatnot, i find it too exotic and in conspiratorial territory, i am not going to touch too much on the content, but on something more basic
i don't like capitalism or a hierarchies in society, but if i am ever forced to choose being an underling of the united states or a new born soviet union, i will pick the united states 100/100
the soviet union was utterly abominable and it was entirely the reason why all of eastern europe rushed to join nato after the fall of the ussr
this tendency of russia to force the world between polar opposites is glaringly obvious the last two years in ukraine, and i will support nato and ukraine till whatever end
please do not respond to this, i really don't want to discuss this any further, and i won't read what you may come up with
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